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नमस्कार! Nomoskar! The Discoverer

हें ज़ाउन आसा उपेगकर्तो The Discoverer छें चर्चेचो पान, ज़ुईं तू The Discoverer -आक संदेस ढाडुंक शकताय आणि तेजेशीं भासाभास करूंक शकताय।
Hem pan zaun asa upegkarto The Discoverer chem charchecho pan, zhoim tujean The Discoverer -ak sondes dhadunk zata ani tejexim bhasabhas korunk zata.

Previous discussion was archived at वापरपी चर्चा:The Discoverer/Archive 1 on 2016-03-18.

DARIO SEVERI (चर्चायोगदान)

Hi, is the language used in the above article correct? Regards.

The Discoverer (चर्चायोगदान)
DARIO SEVERI (चर्चायोगदान)

Oh! Thanks. Best regards.

"Tiatr" हाका जबाब दी (चर्चायोगदान)

Namaste dear The Discoverer! Can you make an article in Konkani-language about actor who played in one Konkani movie Jackie Shroff? Thank you! --~~~~

"Jackie Shroff" हाका जबाब दी
Stryn (चर्चायोगदान)
Hello, the temporary access you requested on this wiki has expired. Just to let you know that If you want it back, feel free to make a local announcement and open a new request on stewards' permission request page on Meta-Wiki later. Moreover, if you think the community is big enough to elect a permanent administrator, you can place a local request here for a permanent adminship, so stewards can grant you the permanent access. Please ask me or any other steward if you have any questions. Thank you! --~~~~
"Your temporary access has expired" हाका जबाब दी
Dcljr (चर्चायोगदान)

When moving pages like these, please consider the possibility that outisde sites (or user bookmarks, etc.) might still link to the old titles. Leaving redirects is probably a better way to go.

The Discoverer (चर्चायोगदान)

These were cases where the page creators used a devanagari diacritic "ः" by mistake instead of a colon ":" at the end of the titles. I consider the chance of a link from an outside site minimal, and I want to discourage this type of error as it is difficult to identify this error to correct it. This is not simply a mis-spelling, but an attempt to include a punctuation mark in the page title. Hence, only in this kind of case, I am not leaving redirects behind.

Dcljr (चर्चायोगदान)

Fair enough.

"Not leaving redirects" हाका जबाब दी
MediaWiki message delivery (चर्चायोगदान)


Like some other community members, you are using Flow.

An increasing number of communities now use Flow or are considering it. Although Flow itself is not scheduled for major development during 2016 fiscal year, the Collaboration Team remains interested in the project and in providing an improved system for structured discussions.

You can help us make decisions about the way forward in this area by sharing your thoughts about Flow — what works, doesn't work or should be improved?

Please fill out this survey, which is administered by a third-party service. It will not require an email or your username. See our privacy statement.

Thanks for your ideas and opinions about Flow!

Trizek (WMF), on behalf of the Collaboration team, 17:04, 7 सप्टेंबर 2016 (IST)

The Discoverer (चर्चायोगदान)

Hi @Trizek (WMF), I suggest that you take feedback from Dcljr , as he faced some problems with links and maybe his perspective will be useful to improve Flow.

Trizek (WMF) (चर्चायोगदान)

Thanks! I'll contact him.

"Please take part in the Flow satisfaction survey" हाका जबाब दी
Dcljr (चर्चायोगदान)
Dcljr (चर्चायोगदान)
The Discoverer (चर्चायोगदान)

Hello Dcljr, Thanks for your work in the Konkani Wikipedia. The old user talk namespace name is supposed to be an alias to the new one. The reason it's not working is that there is a syntax error in the Mediawiki localisation file. There is a patch in gerrit for this. I should ask someone to review and merge it. Once that is done, the alias will work. Hence, I think we do not need to do these edits.

Another problem is that Flow descriptions are showing old versions of the welcome template. The template has since been updated to fit better in the small place available. This is unfortunately a known issue with Flow.

Dcljr (चर्चायोगदान)

Good to know the "fix is in" (as it were) for one problem, anyway…

Dcljr (चर्चायोगदान)

I got tired of seeing the big, redlinked, old version of the welcome template (right side of page), so I've edited the "description" to update it to the new version. [grin] (Speaking of which, I've updated the template so it works on both regular talk pages, like this one, and on "archived" talk pages like ".../Archive_1".)

"Fixing user talk pages" हाका जबाब दी
Titodutta (चर्चायोगदान)


Greetings from CIS-A2K. First of all good wishes on your adminship nomination. You may be aware that we are working to improve Konkani Wikipedia's policy portal and other parts.

We want to talk to you on these things. Phone, Skype, on-Wiki -- all these are okay. Please let me know what you think.


Titodutta (चर्चायोगदान)

I have replied to your email.

Titodutta (चर्चायोगदान)

There seems to be no more activity on the village pump. I am going ahead with your RFA request. All the best and regards.

Titodutta (चर्चायोगदान)

I forwarded the request to a steward. You have been granted adminship for 3 months, after that you may request extension. Thanks, congratulations and all the best.  :)

"Policy discussion and other topics" हाका जबाब दी
Mattflaschen-WMF (चर्चायोगदान)

Flow does have different performance from wikitext talk pages. Some of this we may be able to improve. E.g. we improved phab:T114550 (more could perhaps be done). There is some future related work planned too, such as phab:T94029 .

However, the fact that Flow uses JavaScript normally (there is a no-JavaScript mode available) means that it's doing more work (e.g. the dynamic table of contents, etc.), which requires a bit of setup time; this also probably could be optimized, though.

I don't have the statistic you requested (page size). This is not the only factor, though (and maybe not the most important one, but it depends on your connection speed). Others are server processing time and JavaScript processing time.

The first time you load the Flow editor, it will take a couple seconds to load VisualEditor (you can also use wikitext). However, this should only happen when your browser first caches it, not every time.

The Discoverer (चर्चायोगदान)

First of all, I'm happy to confirm that I received a notification for your above post :)

I did a quick study (perhaps not very accurate) just to get an idea. I tried to compare the amount of data transfer that would be required to post a reply on the Konkani Wikipedia's new Flow community discussion page, and the archived wikitext page.

Following are the sizes of the pages (excluding images):

Wikitext page: 765KB

Editing section of wikitext page: 1.00MB

Flow page (just loaded): 1.30MB

Flow page with Visual Editor loaded: 1.64MB


the data transfer for Wikitext = Wikitext page +editing section page +Wikitext page

= 765 + 1000 + 765 = 2530KB

the data transfer for Flow = Flow page with Visual Editor loaded


Here I have not taken into account the script communication, queries, etc., assuming them to be negligible compared to the page sizes.

If my analysis is approximately correct, then although Flow pages themselves are heavier, using Flow actually reduces the data transfer needed if you're going to post something. What do you think?

Mattflaschen-WMF (चर्चायोगदान)

That's interesting. I haven't confirmed these measurements, but Flow does have certain performance advantages:

  1. You only have to load the page once, not once in view mode and once in edit mode.
  2. You don't have to reload the whole page on post (except when the board is first created, which is very rare).
  3. As you know, it has infinite scroll so you don't need to worry about large boards.
The Discoverer (चर्चायोगदान)

Hey I didn't get a notification for your reply

The Discoverer (चर्चायोगदान)

You were right, the notification got auto-read when I visited the talkpage

"Flow performance" हाका जबाब दी
Mattflaschen-WMF (चर्चायोगदान)

Re "My first question: I edited a template: https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Welcome , but it doesn't get updated in Flow page descriptions where it's transcluded, for example: https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Discoverer":

Unfortunately, this is a known issue (phab:T125857). The only workaround is to edit the content, e.g. the description.

"Flow updates when a template changes" हाका जबाब दी
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