वापरपी चर्चा:The Discoverer

नमस्कार! Nomoskar! The Discoverer

हें ज़ाउन आसा उपेगकर्तो The Discoverer छें चर्चेचो पान, ज़ुईं तू The Discoverer -आक संदेस ढाडुंक शकताय आणि तेजेशीं भासाभास करूंक शकताय। Hem pan zaun asa upegkarto The Discoverer chem charchecho pan, zhoim tujean The Discoverer -ak sondes dhadunk zata ani tejexim bhasabhas korunk zata.
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Previous discussion was archived at वापरपी चर्चा:The Discoverer/Archive 1 on 2016-03-18.

@The Discoverer I found something that needs to be urgently fixed.

Many of the pages related to Christianity have external links from a website called "archgoadaman.org". This link appears like it directs to sections from bible, but clicking the link opens a porn website. For example see the links in ಪಳೆಇಯಾತ್ section of ಹಾಗ್ಗಾಯ್ ಆಚೆಂ ಪುಸ್ತಕ್.

It seems like that website was fine before but has been compromised. Whatever the problems with that website, it's links should not be there on Wikipedia.

Is there a bot that can remove these links in bulk, or should this be done manually by going through categories? I would also welcome @Dcljr's help.

I do not how use a bot to remove the link but I can help to remove manually.

I will start removing manually as well since I too don't know how to use a bot. Anyways leftover links can be removed by bot later. I have found that links to this website are present not only as external links but in references too.

Anyone who wants to help can find most of the pages needing cleanup in these categories (I have updated this after few hours of posting and removed categories I have already cleaned) -

वर्ग:देवाचें उतर

वर्ग:Devachem Utor

In the वर्ग:देवाचें उतर category, I have cleaned in ascending order till तोबिताचें पुस्तक.

AVSmalnad77 (उलयात) 17:04, 15 नोव्हेंबर 2020 (IST)

I think we've already removed them all.

@AVSmalnad77, thanks for highlighting this. That was the old URL of the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman, which has since moved to archgoadaman.com . The Konkani Bible was hosted on that site, so it was used as a reference for quotations from the Bible. I will try to see how to remove the link from all the pages.

Note that any remaining instances can be found with Special:LinkSearch/*.archgoadaman.org. As I type this, there are 178 links to the site left on the wiki.

Thanks Dcljr for that link. I have cleared the 178 links.

Hi, is the language used in the above article correct? Regards.

Hello Dario Severi, Yes, this is a multi-script Wikipedia with Konkani written in three scripts: Devanagari, Latin and Kannada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konkani_alphabets

विकिपीडिया:Script policy

Oh! Thanks. Best regards.

Namaste dear The Discoverer! Can you make an article in Konkani-language about actor who played in one Konkani movie Jackie Shroff? Thank you! --~~~~

Hello, the temporary access you requested on this wiki has expired. Just to let you know that If you want it back, feel free to make a local announcement and open a new request on stewards' permission request page on Meta-Wiki later. Moreover, if you think the community is big enough to elect a permanent administrator, you can place a local request here for a permanent adminship, so stewards can grant you the permanent access. Please ask me or any other steward if you have any questions. Thank you! --~~~~

When moving pages like these, please consider the possibility that outisde sites (or user bookmarks, etc.) might still link to the old titles. Leaving redirects is probably a better way to go.

These were cases where the page creators used a devanagari diacritic "ः" by mistake instead of a colon ":" at the end of the titles. I consider the chance of a link from an outside site minimal, and I want to discourage this type of error as it is difficult to identify this error to correct it. This is not simply a mis-spelling, but an attempt to include a punctuation mark in the page title. Hence, only in this kind of case, I am not leaving redirects behind.

Fair enough.

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Thanks for your ideas and opinions about Flow!

Trizek (WMF), on behalf of the Collaboration team, 17:04, 7 सप्टेंबर 2016 (IST)

Hi @Trizek (WMF), I suggest that you take feedback from Dcljr , as he faced some problems with links and maybe his perspective will be useful to improve Flow.

Thanks! I'll contact him.

As discussed elsewhere, the old localized User_talk prefix is not being treated as an alias to the new one. This is causing (among other things) the "Flow-enabled" user talk pages to show the wrong "description" (see immediately to the right of this comment). If you make this kind of edit on all the user talk pages tagged with the {Wikitext talk page converted to Flow} template, it should fix this problem (see the results at वापरपी_चर्चा:RahmanuddinBot).

Note: I've also left a similar message at वापरपी चर्चा:Konknni mogi 24 (this wiki's sole admin).

Hello Dcljr, Thanks for your work in the Konkani Wikipedia. The old user talk namespace name is supposed to be an alias to the new one. The reason it's not working is that there is a syntax error in the Mediawiki localisation file. There is a patch in gerrit for this. I should ask someone to review and merge it. Once that is done, the alias will work. Hence, I think we do not need to do these edits.

Another problem is that Flow descriptions are showing old versions of the welcome template. The template has since been updated to fit better in the small place available. This is unfortunately a known issue with Flow.

Good to know the "fix is in" (as it were) for one problem, anyway…

I got tired of seeing the big, redlinked, old version of the welcome template (right side of page), so I've edited the "description" to update it to the new version. [grin] (Speaking of which, I've updated the template so it works on both regular talk pages, like this one, and on "archived" talk pages like ".../Archive_1".)

Hello,

Greetings from CIS-A2K. First of all good wishes on your adminship nomination. You may be aware that we are working to improve Konkani Wikipedia's policy portal and other parts.

We want to talk to you on these things. Phone, Skype, on-Wiki -- all these are okay. Please let me know what you think.

Regards.

I have replied to your email.

There seems to be no more activity on the village pump. I am going ahead with your RFA request. All the best and regards.

I forwarded the request to a steward. You have been granted adminship for 3 months, after that you may request extension. Thanks, congratulations and all the best.  :)

Flow does have different performance from wikitext talk pages. Some of this we may be able to improve. E.g. we improved phab:T114550 (more could perhaps be done). There is some future related work planned too, such as phab:T94029 .

However, the fact that Flow uses JavaScript normally (there is a no-JavaScript mode available) means that it's doing more work (e.g. the dynamic table of contents, etc.), which requires a bit of setup time; this also probably could be optimized, though.

I don't have the statistic you requested (page size). This is not the only factor, though (and maybe not the most important one, but it depends on your connection speed). Others are server processing time and JavaScript processing time.

The first time you load the Flow editor, it will take a couple seconds to load VisualEditor (you can also use wikitext). However, this should only happen when your browser first caches it, not every time.

First of all, I'm happy to confirm that I received a notification for your above post :)

I did a quick study (perhaps not very accurate) just to get an idea. I tried to compare the amount of data transfer that would be required to post a reply on the Konkani Wikipedia's new Flow community discussion page, and the archived wikitext page.

Following are the sizes of the pages (excluding images):

Wikitext page: 765KB

Editing section of wikitext page: 1.00MB

Flow page (just loaded): 1.30MB

Flow page with Visual Editor loaded: 1.64MB

Therefore,

the data transfer for Wikitext = Wikitext page +editing section page +Wikitext page

= 765 + 1000 + 765 = 2530KB

the data transfer for Flow = Flow page with Visual Editor loaded

=1640KB

Here I have not taken into account the script communication, queries, etc., assuming them to be negligible compared to the page sizes.

If my analysis is approximately correct, then although Flow pages themselves are heavier, using Flow actually reduces the data transfer needed if you're going to post something. What do you think?

That's interesting. I haven't confirmed these measurements, but Flow does have certain performance advantages:

1. You only have to load the page once, not once in view mode and once in edit mode.
2. You don't have to reload the whole page on post (except when the board is first created, which is very rare).
3. As you know, it has infinite scroll so you don't need to worry about large boards.

Hey I didn't get a notification for your reply

You were right, the notification got auto-read when I visited the talkpage

Re "My first question: I edited a template: https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Welcome , but it doesn't get updated in Flow page descriptions where it's transcluded, for example: https://gom.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:The_Discoverer":

Unfortunately, this is a known issue (phab:T125857). The only workaround is to edit the content, e.g. the description.